tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post4807293929828693799..comments2024-02-19T09:57:54.701-08:00Comments on The Angry Dad: Mom loses child to CPS while shoppingGeorgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16032672334544228703noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-24932510210046258222015-08-24T19:59:53.993-07:002015-08-24T19:59:53.993-07:00Anonymous (2/07/2014 8:21 PM), No, I don't bel...Anonymous (2/07/2014 8:21 PM), No, I don't believe those blogs are related in any way to Shelby and Michael Ford, Anthony's adoptive parents. At the time Anthony was placed in their home, they had only one other boy who was a bit older than Anthony.<br /><br />I wonder what happened to Niveen. The article states she has since had another child, a daughter, and suddenly her presence is lacking online. Not to mention, there isn't any additional information pertaining to her legal pursuits. I suspect she is lying low out of fear and absolute mistrust of the authorities who stole her first child from her, and concentrating on raising her little girl.<br /><br />If I'm not mistaken, there are only 5 years left and Anthony will be 18, a legal adult. He will know Michael Ford as his dad, and Shelby Ford as his mother....but, I can only hope he seeks out his natural mother, Niveen, despite the brainwashing the Fords will have subjected him to. Shelby has a particularly domineering personality, and Michael is emasculated. I know of them and had opportunity to witness some very disturbing domestic events which made me question their parental fitness.<br /><br />I hope Niveen is preparing for the day when she can reunite with Anthony and explain everything in truth since it's available online.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17683791933760075565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-19595985141292090432015-08-24T19:59:19.979-07:002015-08-24T19:59:19.979-07:00Anonymous (2/07/2014 8:21 PM), No, I don't bel...Anonymous (2/07/2014 8:21 PM), No, I don't believe those blogs are related in any way to Shelby and Michael Ford, Anthony's adoptive parents. At the time Anthony was placed in their home, they had only one other boy who was a bit older than Anthony.<br /><br />I wonder what happened to Niveen. The article states she has since had another child, a daughter, and suddenly her presence is lacking online. Not to mention, there isn't any additional information pertaining to her legal pursuits. I suspect she is lying low out of fear and absolute mistrust of the authorities who stole her first child from her, and concentrating on raising her little girl.<br /><br />If I'm not mistaken, there are only 5 years left and Anthony will be 18, a legal adult. He will know Michael Ford as his dad, and Shelby Ford as his mother....but, I can only hope he seeks out his natural mother, Niveen, despite the brainwashing the Fords will have subjected him to. Shelby has a particularly domineering personality, and Michael is emasculated. I know of them and had opportunity to witness some very disturbing domestic events which made me question their parental fitness.<br /><br />I hope Niveen is preparing for the day when she can reunite with Anthony and explain everything in truth since it's available online.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17683791933760075565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-21064612547581310162014-02-07T20:21:57.232-08:002014-02-07T20:21:57.232-08:00http://www.feltstories.com/2010_09_01_archive.html...http://www.feltstories.com/2010_09_01_archive.html<br /><br />http://m.bloglovin.com/blog/6055065/orange-county-mom-blog<br /><br />I found the above blogs interesting. The author is "Shelby Barone" whose blog showcases her impeccable, picture perfect mothering and in photos of family life and occasions the kids are holding retail items showing the brands. In the blog, she writes and photographs her adopted son Andrew, who is 11 years old. I don't know where they live, it looks they are in orange county, maybe Balboa Island. <br /><br />Do you think they are the same family?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-53102048073453151692014-01-14T13:20:49.372-08:002014-01-14T13:20:49.372-08:00Eric, you are saying that CPS is prejudiced agains...Eric, you are saying that CPS is prejudiced against innocent parents, Arabs, introverts, strong personalities, changing a bad decision, etc. Those are all bad arguments for separating a child from his parent. I don't see how you can think that this might be a right decisijavascript:void(0)on.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16032672334544228703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-46400919675608939422014-01-14T06:02:56.319-08:002014-01-14T06:02:56.319-08:00Hello George--I happened upon your site after read...Hello George--I happened upon your site after reading the New Yorker article, which is absolutely gut-wrenching and seems to me largely fair. First of all, nobody, including Niveen herself, disputes that Social Services was justified to come in and take her son at the start. As I see it, there were three issues which eventually led to her losing custody:<br /><br />First, a societal expectation that the first job of Social Services is "to protect the child". What this means in practice is that, once a child is taken away from a parent, she is pretty much guilty until proven innocent. This is not because of malice on their part, but because if they send a child back to a birth parent, and something terrible happens to the child as a result, this makes the news and ends the career of the case worker. "Erring on the side of caution" means terminating the birth parent's relationship with her child. Some of the reasons cited by them for her being an unfit parent do seem pretty bogus--taking Richard out to eat every night, letting him play overly violent video games.<br /><br />2) Lack of common cultural understanding between Niveen and Social Services. The vast majority of parents who fall into the system do so for one of three reasons--drugs, domestic abuse, or mental illness. None of these were remotely applicable in Niveen's case--rather, she was simply too busy at her job to do what was necessary, and had no support network--no father (he had wanted her to have an abortion), no local relatives, nothing. The case workers don't seem to have known much about this kind of situation Cultural barriers were a big problem--she was forbidden from speaking Arabic during supervised visits to her son, and the style of parenting that the social services people pushed on her was unavoidably rooted in American culture; she and the social services people didn't really understand each other. The article doesn't mention Niveen's gifts to the social workers, but she probably hurt her cause by doing this--in Arab culture that is probably seen as OK or even expected, but over here that is simply an attempt at a bribe.<br /><br />The third is rather sticky, and something Niveen would no doubt take exception to. Anybody who has worked in the software industry for long (as I have) has known people like Niveen--smart, competent, and dedicated to their jobs, but stubborn and opinionated to the point of arrogance. When working on a software project, you need to make clear decisions quickly and stick to them until proven wrong--which is the right way to do things on a software project, but not in many other areas of life. The problems stemming from the stubbornness are often compounded by a lack of social skills--not everyone who works in software is an introvert, but people who start out introverted tend to stay that way, because there is nothing to draw them out. Niveen is very much of that type, except that she's a woman.<br /><br />Social Services sees it as their job to make a decision after a year or two, because they believe that a young child should have one place to call home, and one set of parents to call mom and dad. The article goes into some detail about the research behind this, which the author seems less than totally sold on. The bottom line was that "the clock ran out" on Niveen--she had clearly made progress while Richard was with the foster family, but not enough that they felt they could totally trust her (by necessity a very subjective thing), and the time had come when they had to make a decision. He had bonded with his foster parents, as would any young child who had been with them that long, so they felt that was the right place for him. The article does not say anything explicitly about racism, but does mention that Richard looks like he could be a child of his adoptive parents, which was apparently a point in their favor from the county's perspective.<br /><br />Was this the right decision? I have no idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-55529245473401904112013-12-25T23:12:27.790-08:002013-12-25T23:12:27.790-08:00Yes, the CPS and other officials are evil. I have ...Yes, the CPS and other officials are evil. I have seen it myself. Good luck to you.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16032672334544228703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-81568910699481634702013-12-25T22:38:38.990-08:002013-12-25T22:38:38.990-08:00Thanks for the coverage "Angry Dad"! No ...Thanks for the coverage "Angry Dad"! No I was never on a TV show :-) I hope you are right that one day Anthony will know what really happened and what kind of people adopted him. And that as late as last year I was in family court trying to get visits but the Fords would not let me even speak to him!<br /><br />You should read the New Yorker article Ms Aviv is an excellent writer. You are right about many of the conclusions you made. I was at work and seriously doubt Anthony even said shopping. The police embellished their report with lies. As to the social workers, I was very nice to them, even bought them food or offered it and even gave an antique Egyptian souvenir to Margaret Jorth, the nut who did most of the complaining and she got free tickets to universal studios from me as well. But some people have no shame. They are plain and simple: EVIL! Oh and my cases are still either in appeal or in district court. I'd like to see the laws change one day. Right now they get to make the call and the court in 99% of the cases gives them whatever they ask for. My story is a book. The New Yorker barely scratched the surface of what me and Anthony have suffered. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-30250528415822002942013-12-06T14:01:50.879-08:002013-12-06T14:01:50.879-08:00interesting case of state vs parents' wishes:
...interesting case of state vs parents' wishes:<br /><br />http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/12/06/ohio-amish-girl-won-forced-have-chemo/Esf3AVFs9ysDwhknbZHo0L/story.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-63723007755816804902013-12-03T14:55:39.839-08:002013-12-03T14:55:39.839-08:00Orange County is famous for being pretty racist an...Orange County is famous for being pretty racist and an insular backwater compared with Los Angeles. <br />So it could be an anti-Arab or anti-Muslim bias. or just the incongruity of a dark-skinned woman with a fair-haired child. The kind of situation in which the mothers are assumed to be the nannies.<br />Of course, you are right, if the father had stuck around this wouldn't have happened. the story only says that he asked her to get an abortion saying that he wasn't ready for fatherhood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-38500135851902311132013-12-03T11:30:28.341-08:002013-12-03T11:30:28.341-08:00Okay, I will look for the NY article. Racism is on...Okay, I will look for the NY article. Racism is one possible explanation, but maybe there is also an anti-Egyptian bias or the mom said something to annoy CPS.<br /><br />Also, where's the dad? Probably none of this would have happened if there had been a supporting dad in the picture.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16032672334544228703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-67495282886400596592013-12-03T11:00:14.686-08:002013-12-03T11:00:14.686-08:00First, if you can find a way to read the article, ...First, if you can find a way to read the article, do.. FYI, New Yorker doesn't pay by the word, it has staff writers on salary, but even if it did, every word is worth reading in this gut-wrenching story.<br /><br />She jumped through all the hoops possible to get her child back. but it seems to have boiled down to the social workers deciding that her blond-haired son would be better off with a blond-haired mom. Racism plain and simple. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-17641038621890714062013-12-03T08:16:35.416-08:002013-12-03T08:16:35.416-08:00The kid said "shopping", according to th...The kid said "shopping", according to the quote from the New Yorker article. I wrote the headline before reading the rest of the facts.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16032672334544228703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-56697302974554985302013-12-03T04:42:40.171-08:002013-12-03T04:42:40.171-08:00Where did you get "while shopping."?
Pe...Where did you get "while shopping."?<br /><br />Per the New Yorker article, she left to go to work (she was a computer consultant) after panicking about how many days she had already missed. There's nothing in the article you linked that states anything else.<br /><br />Also, good on you for googling and finding a secondary source, but it seems totally ridiculous that you couldn't be sure that this computer worker in her 40s wasn't an MTV reality star in her 20s with a different name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com