tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post4153138514590999274..comments2024-02-19T09:57:54.701-08:00Comments on The Angry Dad: Dad charged for waving a gunGeorgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16032672334544228703noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-37178045621630479122013-02-13T12:14:42.349-08:002013-02-13T12:14:42.349-08:00Yes, the first story said, "A Minnesota man s...Yes, the first story said, "A Minnesota man supposedly pointed an AK-47 rifle". As you say, the article went on to say “The man allegedly admitted ...”. So what is your complaint? I gave you the facts.<br /><br />These are allegations. They are not under oath, and probably not intended to be a criminal complaint. I will post more about this tomorrow.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16032672334544228703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-67245033051447101742013-02-13T12:01:35.703-08:002013-02-13T12:01:35.703-08:00Bartashevitch's wife explained to investigator...Bartashevitch's wife explained to investigators that their daughter was telling the truth about the incident. She also said she tried to help her daughter but that her husband pushed her to the ground. Then he pointed the gun at the both of them.<br /><br />“The man allegedly admitted to pointing the gun at this family, but added that he had checked the chamber beforehand to make sure it was not loaded.<br /><br />"The story said he "supposedly pointed" a gun."<br /><br />Who knows what a "story said" by the time you're through with it. Read these stories yourself, ok ?<br /><br />The devil is in the details. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-42117058313845466092013-02-13T09:26:03.483-08:002013-02-13T09:26:03.483-08:00Under California’s gun laws, “‘firearm’ means any ...Under California’s gun laws, “‘firearm’ means any device, designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled through a barrel, a projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion.”7 If the object meets this definition, it doesn’t matter whether it was loaded or unloaded at the time of the offense.8<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-42972162514631169902013-02-13T09:20:56.879-08:002013-02-13T09:20:56.879-08:00California Penal Code 417 PC prohibits “drawing, e...California Penal Code 417 PC prohibits “drawing, exhibiting, or using a firearm or deadly weapon”.1 This offense is commonly referred to as "brandishing" a weapon.<br /><br />If you “brandish” a weapon or firearm in a rude, angry, or threatening manner, prosecutors could charge you with this offense.<br /><br />This INCLUDES unloaded guns. But, you don't care about facts, just your opinions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-37167101919334705202013-01-30T18:20:51.565-08:002013-01-30T18:20:51.565-08:00RSO, there is no such law. If you think that there...RSO, there is no such law. If you think that there is, then please quote it. There are laws against threatening to shoot someone, but that is not what the man did.<br /><br />I am against (1) criminalizing bad parenting practices that have no objective harm; (2) charging a crime when no such crime is in the law; (3) spying and intruding on private family matters; (4) putting the girl in a shelter; (5) ordering the man not to talk to his family; and (6) authorities trying to bust up families.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16032672334544228703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-72165310949209467232013-01-30T18:03:23.650-08:002013-01-30T18:03:23.650-08:00The story said he "supposedly pointed" a...The story said he "supposedly pointed" a gun.<br /><br />The arrest shows that it was a bad practice.<br /><br />There is no law against pointing an unloaded gun in private. The cops were wrong to make the arrest. This is an example of evil busybodies trying to destroy a family.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16032672334544228703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-73705961676608320402013-01-30T17:55:54.839-08:002013-01-30T17:55:54.839-08:00Oh, and by the way: I am 100% against any further ...Oh, and by the way: I am 100% against any further gun control in this country of any description whatsoever. I agree with banning possession by violent felons or people adjudicated dangerously mentally ill by a court, with safeguards, review, etc. <br /><br />Politically, I am a reactionary, deeply pro-male and deeply anti-feminist. <br /><br />This guy is a goddamn criminal nutcase. This isn't some evil bitch making up "abuse" stories to divorce-rape an innocent man. This is a man who endangered his family by acting like a lunatic. <br /><br />Not all men are always innocent. Some men really do bad things. RSOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-31112994503446730872013-01-30T17:50:06.871-08:002013-01-30T17:50:06.871-08:00Waving a gun at people is a crime. You're thre...Waving a gun at people is a crime. You're threatening them. Guns are not toys. You never point a gun at somebody you don't have a good reason to shoot, and you always treat every gun as if it were loaded, because it MAY in fact be loaded. People make mistakes. People make mistakes checking chambers, especially when they're emotional enough to do some dumb crazy shit like wave a gun at their family. A hell of a lot of people have carefully double-checked the chambers on their Glocks -- or at least they are 100% certain they did -- pulled the trigger to free the takedown lever, and put a hole in the wall. Or in their hand in some cases. <br /><br />To guard against mistakes, we have <a href="http://www.reloadammo.com/gun-law.htm" rel="nofollow">four rules of gun safety</a>. They are good, practical rules. They should be ingrained habits. You have to break at least two of them to hurt anybody with a gun. They were formulated by smart people with enormously more experience around firearms than you, and they have been debated for decades by other very smart people who have enormously more firearms experience than you. <br /><br />By the way, a semi-auto "AK-47" is almost certainly an AKM variant of some kind, not an AK-47 as such. However, it is absolutely customary among knowledgeable and experienced gun people in the US to refer to it as an "AK-47". <br /><br />If that guy pulled a stunt like that at a match I was RO'ing, he'd be getting the hell off my range instantly, and I'd go to the board and ask that he be banned from the club grounds permanently. I would probably get my wish. We have banned crazies before. <br /><br />The County Attorney may or may not be a swine, but in the remarks quoted above, he has his facts straight about both gun handling and the law. <br /><br />IT IS A CRIME TO POINT AN UNLOADED GUN AT SOMEBODY. That is the law. The law is written down. In words. English words. You know what those words say? They say that if you point a gun you know to be unloaded at somebody, that is a crime. <br /><br />It doesn't MATTER what your feelings are about squirt guns, or the law, or the Queen of England. The jury will not be asked to decide on the basis of your feelings. They will be asked to decide on the basis of the law, and the law they will be given will say that pointing a goddamn gun at somebody is a goddamn crime whether it's loaded or not. <br /><br />Your feelings are SHIT, Mary. Your feelings mean NOTHING, Mary. Got that, Mary? Your feelings don't define reality. They don't define law. They don't define anything. <br /><br />You talk like a fucking woman. Idiot.RSOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-38122118286627610492013-01-30T17:08:54.777-08:002013-01-30T17:08:54.777-08:00Are the reports that he was "waving a gun&quo...Are the reports that he was "waving a gun" or pointing it at his daughter ?<br /><br />Why do you think that what he did was a "bad practice" if the gun was empty and no one got hurt ?<br /><br />Cops don't arrest you for your pants falling down, they arrest you for pointing a gun at your daughter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-82867755029425238322013-01-30T16:16:09.567-08:002013-01-30T16:16:09.567-08:00When you buy a car, it always comes with enough ga...When you buy a car, it always comes with enough gasoline to drive home. When you buy a gun, it never comes loaded. So I do not get the point of your analogy.<br /><br />I personally prefer to take multiple independent redundant safety precautions. So I might wear a belt and suspenders just to keep my pants from falling down. But I do not favor having cops arrest men whose pants have not fallen down.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16032672334544228703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-40169618139415093632013-01-30T14:39:19.724-08:002013-01-30T14:39:19.724-08:00"It was a new gun, and the dad may not have e... "It was a new gun, and the dad may not have even bought any ammo for it yet." <br /><br /> Yeah, like people who bought new cars and may not have even bought any gas for it yet. <br /><br />Are the reports that he "waving a gun" or pointing it at his daughter ?<br /><br />Why do you think that what he did was a "bad practice" if the gun was empty and no one got hurt ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-57505566971397413282013-01-30T09:41:44.253-08:002013-01-30T09:41:44.253-08:00I don't know that the dad did get into any tro...I don't know that the dad did get into any trouble, except for damage to his car, public embarrassment, etc. I have driven on that wharf many times, and I can imagine someone having this sort of accident. It would not be so funny if someone were hurt, but no one was hurt.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16032672334544228703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081447.post-43589393413283946152013-01-30T09:33:28.383-08:002013-01-30T09:33:28.383-08:00What sort of trouble did the father of the driver ...What sort of trouble did the father of the driver of the SUV get himself in ? Why do you think that the incident is funny ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com